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Hi Guys,
Just put a set of SmartTabs SX trim tabs on my 4.5 drifter. What a difference it has made to the hole shot, reduction in bow rise and porpoising, and really smoothed out the ride in rough chop too today in the 20 min sea trial.
I put them on this morning - a fairly easy job. Anyway, if anyone was having problems with hole-shot or too much weight at the back (my console is side-rear), you might have a think about these. I can post photos if anyone is interested.
If anyone has them installed, I have had to tie the tabs up to the back of the boat so they are not flexing over the rear skids - has anyone else come up with a better solution.
Good boating - Dozer
BigFella
17-01-2010, 22:14
G'day Dozer,
Would be interested to see some photos if you can? I have thought for a while they would be a great assistance with the heavy arsed poly's these days.
Cheers;)
Here are the photo's from my installation today. So far they seem to be worth every cent - seems to have fixed the problem with the heavy rear end (side rear console, 4 stroke motor and everyone always wants to be down the back for some reason). Here are the photos - note how they sit on the skids when on the trailer when fitted as per manufacturers instructions - puts a twist in them that I am sure would distort them over time.
Dozer
Borrisdog had the same kit fitted to his boat and swears by it. Oddly enough, I dont have any of that on my boat, and it performs better with the weight down the back. Might be something to do with the fact that most of my time is spent in 1.5m+ seas requiring the bow to be out of the water.
Nice Job Dozer.
Andy, you would hardly get on the plane with your boat the conditions you take it in, you spend more time in the air than the water...laugh1
I have fitted trim tabs on my 4.1 - fantastic improvement; gets up on the plane quicker and at lower rpm than it did without them. Thought I had some pics but I can't find them (and I can't take any now because the boat is 125km away in the Highlands waiting for me to go back next weekend).
Did you have to sikaflex where you put the screws in?
I didn't bother. They didn't penetrate the outer hull.
"Thought I had some pics but I can't find them (and I can't take any now because the boat is 125km away in the Highlands waiting for me to go back next weekend). "
Doesn't matter - your pix are always blurred anyway, Barry.
"Thought I had some pics but I can't find them (and I can't take any now because the boat is 125km away in the Highlands waiting for me to go back next weekend). "
Doesn't matter - your pix are always blurred anyway, Barry.
My pix are fine Doug, it's your eyes causing the problem.:rolleyes:
You could be right Barry - I'm told a lifetime in the service of the Queen in far-flung outposts of the Empire (and I include Australia here) has given me cataracts.
Just when the filthy socialist Rudd cut the rebate in half!
slippery
19-01-2010, 18:04
I would have mounted them slightly further inboard to clear the skids??
Hi Slippery,
Yea, I thought of that when I was installing them, the product information calls for the tabs to be installed 3-5 inches in from the edge. I took an average of 4'. To clear the skids would have moved them in well past the suggested range and I figured the closer they are to midline, the less effect they would have on list (which is a problem for me with fat mates and a side console) (sorry fat mates - its all about the personality).
I did not notice the list problem on the trial run - but I was not fully loaded either and my deck hand was not too fat (is there a new PC term for fat?)
Anyway - I know there is a device available from the manufacturers that uses a lever system to retract the ram and tab, but the OZ importer says you cant use the SX tabs and the lever system. Which is strange because I found out about them as I was researching the tabs found a lad on YouTube who installed the SX tabs with the lever system. But I think he was from Alabama - so who knows.
Anyway, the moral of the story is not to question my decisions!
Dozer
Hi Slippery,
... (is there a new PC term for fat?) ...
Dozer
My favourite is "chunky"
I found the youtube video, but I dont know how to link it - try this and see what happens - the guy (i am told not from Alabama) shows the lever device he had installed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-RF8OtKcw
I plan to contact the company direct and ask them myself.
slippery
19-01-2010, 20:11
I installed the Sx tabs for improved hole shot, slow speed planing and to minimise porpasing when trimmed out. Listing should not be an issue if weight distribution is considered. I do however love the rewards they have given me, but they do tend to stabalise the top end run in rough water which used to be funlaugh1. My fuel useage has definately inproved due to the quick hole shots. I could never trim the motor out at speed without the hull jumping for joy. Now I cam trim the motor out untill the prop looses traction. A 4st motor and 2 up down the rear really effects these boats.
I agree, big improvement in hole shot.
I am about to put a Permatrim on my 4.55 CC to help with the hole shot, I see Dozer you have both trim tabs and Permatrim, so the question is was the permatrim effective ??? Has anyone just used the tabs ??
Skip
Politically correct term for FAT is..... PP
.....Plesently Plump!!
Oh well thats what we taught our kids to say so they dont cause a seen at the shops when they see a really fat person! LOL :)
Brucesta
20-01-2010, 14:40
a permatrim is a good investment and a good start, fixed my issues on my old 4.1m SC and i'm no kenyan in size either, i will be fitting a permatrim first to the 5.3m then maybe some trib tabs for the rough days
Hi Skip,
Dont know is the answer - ordered the BMT and before delivery, the dealer said the boat needed the permatrim as it was sluggish out of the hole. I never tried it without the permatrim, but it certainly needed more lift in the stern. I have tried redistributing the weight which works most of the time, but if I am loaded up for a good night trip, and have some of my bigger mates on board (140kg plus), the boat certainly got on the plane, but it took a while.
Noticing the difference between trim tabs and no trim tabs, if stern lift, hole shot or lower planing speed is your problem, I would consider the tabs - they made a massive difference to my boat, and they are cheap enough and you can install them with a ruler and a drill.
Dozer
Dozer,
where did you source the trim tabs and how much were they?
are your's the 60 pound or 80?
cheers milly.
Pirate Pete
21-01-2010, 13:32
I have had thoughts about putting tabs on the 5.3 but am thinking of the blade type that sit flush with the transom & have a little blade that slides down itno the water. (I cant remember their name doh doh doh )
You mean the Volvo QL system?
http://www.donmorton.com.au/?page_id=47
Pirate Pete
21-01-2010, 14:07
You mean the Volvo QL system?
http://www.donmorton.com.au/?page_id=47
Yes thats them. With the 5.3 Cuddy most of your fishing is at the rear of the boat & the "conventional" trim tabs would get in the way when fishing & they would also be in the way when we use beaches. I usually turn the bow out into the water & push off from the rear & step onto the stern.
Pete you better look into the installation instructions before going with the QL.
You need access from inside the hull I think, and it involves boring quite a large hole in each side of the transom too. shock
My mate Ivo has them on a 25' Bertram, they are apparently more efficient and cause less drag than conventional tabs.
BigFella
21-01-2010, 18:57
G'day Guys
Be aware the QL system works fine on water craft that dont always get on the plane! They are better suited to large displacement vessels rather then our nimble Polycraft Boats!doh
They create quite a bit of drag and will cost you more to run in the long run.wtf
The "trim tabs" gains far outweigh the small hassles associated with bum first into the beach!yippy
Food for thought!
Dozer,
where did you source the trim tabs and how much were they?
are your's the 60 pound or 80?
cheers milly.
Milly,
I got them from Marine direct, but I notice they are available on ebay as well.
Tabs about $142
postage from the US about $80
http://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/c2389/c2731/p292513 for the 40 pound actuator or
http://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/search_result?name=smart+tabs&intersection%3Aboolean=on&image.x=0&image.y=0 for all other actuator pressures.
despite the massive postage fees, still worth it.
Dozer
Pirate Pete
21-01-2010, 19:21
G'day Guys
Be aware the QL system works fine on water craft that dont always get on the plane! They are better suited to large displacement vessels rather then our nimble Polycraft Boats!doh
They create quite a bit of drag and will cost you more to run in the long run.wtf
The "trim tabs" gains far outweigh the small hassles associated with bum first into the beach!yippy
Food for thought!
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I have seen them fitted to 6M boats around here & the owners love them from what I hear
Much as it grieves me to agree with Big Fella, he's right (there has to be a first time, surely?). Arse first into the beach is not a problem with "Smart Tabs". My advice is to cough up for the extra bits that allow you to elevate them from their working position.
I did a 180 degree turn last weekend at WOT and the boat turned like a train - no lean WHATSOEVER.
Thank's dozer,
Might try ebay, only $132AU AND $53AU shipping. Would like to go with the 60 pound actuator as the brumby is a little bum heavy with the suzy. I dont think they should get in the way too much when fishing of the back of the boat with a 6ft rod unless your using a hand line. Did the mounting screws go all the way through the transom?
I just checked Cabellas, they have the 40lb on sale for $83US, I ordered some with A/F deliver, total was $123 US, about ! A$135.
Skip
Thank's dozer,
Might try ebay, only $132AU AND $53AU shipping. Would like to go with the 60 pound actuator as the brumby is a little bum heavy with the suzy. I dont think they should get in the way too much when fishing of the back of the boat with a 6ft rod unless your using a hand line. Did the mounting screws go all the way through the transom?
Yea, by about 1mm. I just filled the hole with some marine silicon and it did not leak on the trial.
You might think about getting the PR500 trim plate retractor kit. When I bought mine before christmas, they said you cant use the trim tabs and the PR500 together, but I notice today on the website, they are selling the retractor kit for it. It will cost me another $50 (can you believe it) for postage to get the PR500 kit.
Just make sure they are compatable because I have seen lots of conflicting info.
Dozer
secretspot
27-01-2010, 11:59
Cheers for the info dozer. Trim tabs are on my long list of mods, and it looks like they will do the trick. Now I just have to find somewhere online where I can source tabs and retractor for reasonable price and shipping.
There is nobody stocking them in South Australia, I got mine from www.cabelas.com I ordered them last Friday and expect to have delivery tomorrow, not bad seeing they have come from the US !
Skip
Yea, by about 1mm. I just filled the hole with some marine silicon and it did not leak on the trial.
You might think about getting the PR500 trim plate retractor kit. When I bought mine before christmas, they said you cant use the trim tabs and the PR500 together, but I notice today on the website, they are selling the retractor kit for it. It will cost me another $50 (can you believe it) for postage to get the PR500 kit.
Just make sure they are compatable because I have seen lots of conflicting info.
Dozer
I just received advice from the makers of smart tabs the the retractor kit is compatable with the SX series, so I have ordered a pair to see how it goes. Will post some pics when I have installed them.
Dozer
Dozer,
Did you get them in Aus, or from the US ?
Skip
Dozer,
Did you get them in Aus, or from the US ?
Skip
No Skip - the good old US of A. I think they are sending them over on Air Force One, what else could justify $50 postage!
Dozer
I'm getting very interested in this thread. With my bowmount and decky on the port side of the boat it lists badly. With me leaning out like a sailor attached to a trapeze.
My questions are;
Would the tabs fix this, and
how do they perform in a following sea when you need the bow up and planing at a low speed (bar crossings etc.)
Norm
P.S. And where do I get some for a hundy
Nog, they're very good at keeping the boat level side to side, and they allow you to plane at much slower speed, which is their best property I think. Haven't had any problems in a following sea, but then nothing in its right mind would ever follow me. Ask any airman who knew me.
I'm getting very interested in this thread. With my bowmount and decky on the port side of the boat it lists badly. With me leaning out like a sailor attached to a trapeze.
My questions are;
Would the tabs fix this, and
how do they perform in a following sea when you need the bow up and planing at a low speed (bar crossings etc.)
Norm
P.S. And where do I get some for a hundy
There is also the plate retractor kit which allow you to retract them in the horizontal plane - so they effectively act as trolling tabs, so I guess if they were an issue crossing a bar where you wanted to lift the nose again, you could flick the levers and negate any trim effect (I guess??)
My retractor kit arrived last night, and I will put it on this weekend.
Dozer
Dozer
Is that retractor kit the same components as the pro trolling smart tab kit. it looks like i just have to fiddle with the lever a bit so that its not trolling but in an up position.
Nog, I got the retractor kit as a freebie because they stuffed up my order. They're essential, IMHO. I find that even in the retracted position they still help left to right leaning.
Pirate Pete
12-02-2010, 19:00
Do you have some pics of yours Doug???
Hey skip when did you get your tabs? I just checked the caleba website and they are on sale for $103 atm. If I can get them for the price you paid ill be a happy camper.
cheers Jas!
I ordered them on Jan 22nd, they arrived on the 29th, not bad service, I just checked a day when they were on special.
Skip
Dozer
Is that retractor kit the same components as the pro trolling smart tab kit. it looks like i just have to fiddle with the lever a bit so that its not trolling but in an up position.
I think they are. I have installed them this afternoon. Pictures attached. I suggest you buy both the tabs and the retractor kit at the same time. I have not used them yet, but they installed easy enough - 20 minutes including time for children asking 1000000 questions - bless them. If only they could mow the lawn. Pictures below.
Dozer
Don't need my pix, PP - Dozer's done the hard work. "cept my boat is white, of course!
Look carefully to see the retraction kit in use.
Pirate Pete
13-02-2010, 21:49
Don't need my pix, PP - Dozer's done the hard work. "cept my boat is white, of course!
Look carefully to see the retraction kit in use.
Do you have to lean over the back of the boat to manually change the postion of the retractors??
I have a boarding ladder that would be in the road.
Do you have to lean over the back of the boat to manually change the postion of the retractors??
I have a boarding ladder that would be in the road.
PP,
In one work - yes. Once the tabs are set in the trim position they stay in the same position till putting the boat back on the trailer, at which time, I lean over the back and flick them up. The only reason I put them on is so if i beach it or when it is on the trailer, the tabs are not flexed over the skids of the trailer.
If the ladder is in the way, take if off and send it to me, I need one. Always ready to help.yippy
Dozer
I gota get me some of them....Maybe after the next rod purchase :)
bream reaper
16-02-2010, 21:18
yeah I put hydraulic trim tabs on mine and they would have to be one of the best things I put on the boat. can adjust with the press of a button and hooked up the auto retract to one of the switch panels so when I am coming into a boat ramp I shut off all the switch panels and they retract before putting on the trailer.
I took my 4.55 CC out yesterday, first time since I fitted the Smart tabs, I thought I was in the wrong boat, the difference was incredible, straight up on the plane, no wallowing, and no constant trim adjustments. Fitting thm required a couple of S/S plates because of the old transom pattern, they cleared the trailer rails by about 20mm.
Skip
Skip would you mind putting up some pics to show what was involved with the S/S plates please.
I have been trying to chin, I'm doing something wrong, I can not get the photos into the post
Thanks Skip, you must have done something right. laugh1
I see what you mean about the plates now, pretty sure I'm going down the same road soon.
You can see on the actual trim tab that one of the 6 mounting screws fell into the recess, I didn't bother to pack it with washers, just silicone as I figured 5 would hold it solid. My speedo doesn't work so well, flat out it showed 10 mph, a slight error, next trip I'll take the GPS, but I'm sure I was going a lot quicker. The boat stays flat in a turn, but did tend to cavitate in a tight one at speed. Overall I'm delighted with the result, first the spray chines now the tabs, the boat is dry and performing better, all done as a result of reading the posts on this forum, thanks guys.
just ordered mine then so fingers crossed not too long a wait. Cant wait to get them and throw em on.
cheers Jas!
secretspot
22-02-2010, 11:29
Good stuff skip.
I've ordered a set of retractor plates, because a) I think I will be in the same situation as Dozer with the skids and b) as I have a side console, I am hoping when I go fish on my own, I can have one side up and have a level boat while motoring.
Definitely, I deliberately stood on one side of the CC when going,the boat stayed level. Are you happy with your chines, they did a great job on mine.
Secret spot. You don't need to and shouldn't adjust the tabs differently on each side. I think it would be dangerous and not easily done anyway. Just having them deployed keeps the boat level regardless of wt distribution.
Don't confuse these Smart Tabs with the sort of thing that Jan (bream Reaper) is talking about, which are hydraulically controlled from the "flight deck".
bream reaper
22-02-2010, 16:20
yeah as Doug said, the buttons on my 'flight deck' can be pressed and the boat can be 'adjusted' at different times depending on how many ppl or weight distribution in the boat. If the boat is leaning to one side, then I press the button down on the opposite side, the plate drops down on that side and the boat levels out under way. I get up on the plane in no time and couldn't be happier with them.
Cheers, Jan.
Is it true, Jan, that you trained with NASA before being promoted to your poly?:D:D:D
secretspot
22-02-2010, 23:21
Skip - I have only been out the once since having the chines applied. They did the job that day, and the plastic welders did a great job. Hopefully the tabs do the job I want.
Doug - I wasn't planning on adjusting them while moving :eek: .
Hey guys,i have 4.1 side console,running 50 etec,dont haveany trouble getting out of hole,even with full live tank,boat does*50ks,i only fish in dams or river,mainly a b t bass and bream rounds,What i would like to know if by fitting tabs would it effectthe speed,i hate being the slowest boat.
not really sure, I have yet to try mine in smoothish water, but I was out today off the Adelaide coast in about a half metre chop and I was hitting 30mph on the speedo, but forgot my glasses so I could not see the speed on the GPS; it was about 5 mph quicker than before the tabs were fitted.
I would have loved to have had another boat with a video camera on board to take some footage of the chines, they were really working with the spray that used to come over the side being deflected horizontally. Secretspot, we should meet up one day and take some video to post on the forum.
Skip
Hey cuz, I've just fitted some to my 5.1/Etec 50 combo, pics to follow and test results too, once I've fitted new trailer lights to replace the "fully submersible" ones that have slowly been registering their protest at being submerged...wtf
Anyway, you are correct, the 4.1 blasts out of the hole fine with nothing. However I've been a happy Permatrim owner for a year or so now so I can plane at a lower speed for wakeboarding/kneeboarding and tubing, also because it helps reduce prop ventilation in tight turns.
But, since my daughter likes to kneeboard at about 11 -12 kts, my son is starting to learn to wakeboard and my wife has just passed her licence test, I've just purchased (US$87 on special from Cabelas) and fitted Smart Tabs, and will be using them in conjunction with the Permatrim to achieve:
1. Slow, smooth transition onto the plane so my son doesn't have the handle jerked out of his hand learning to wakeboard. Yes, the quick launch is fine if just getting there is all you require, but we now want a really easy launch without being bogged down.
2. Assist the Permatrim for even slower planing (< 12 kts??:confused:) to keep my daughter happy without having it fall off and needing to constantly "throttle" bash for a consistent speed.
3. If the Smart tabs do the working of lifting I might be able to set the motor trim to neutral, instead of a little in, which makes the steering very light for my wife to drive... (and I can get behind the boat for a change...yippy)
The point of all of this is my boat also only does 50 km/hr flat out, that's a function of the 15" pitch prop, and I don't expect trim tabs to offer any significant benefits to top speed. (Well, maybe a little... let you know)
pics/water test info to come.
chrs jc
ps got the Pro Troller retractor too, but the step in the transom on the 4.1 didn't allow for a neat fitting, I've installed without at the moment and will wait and see...
i am very keen to get my boat to plane at lower speed. i was thinking about a permatrim but after reading this am leaning towards the trim tabs. can anyone advise which is the best way to go. or should i be looking to get both?
secretspot
15-03-2010, 00:24
not really sure, I have yet to try mine in smoothish water, but I was out today off the Adelaide coast in about a half metre chop and I was hitting 30mph on the speedo, but forgot my glasses so I could not see the speed on the GPS; it was about 5 mph quicker than before the tabs were fitted.
I would have loved to have had another boat with a video camera on board to take some footage of the chines, they were really working with the spray that used to come over the side being deflected horizontally. Secretspot, we should meet up one day and take some video to post on the forum.
Skip
Would be happy too. Where do you usually launch from? Maybe swap a spot or two.
squizzytaylor
15-03-2010, 07:52
Retracting the smart tabs is as easy as 2 x $10 cam cleats and a bit of rope and an occy strap hook, I used to lower one or the other in a cross wind as well to level the tinny out.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j110/squizzytaylor/sternshot.jpg
thanks for your reply ZONE 5 but my 4.1 has 17 inch prop
i tried 19 but hardly any difference mate will lend me a 21 but
i rechon the boat wont get out of the hole
Ummm.... I reckon you're right!
secretspot
31-03-2010, 00:34
Trim tabs are finally winging their way to my door. Was hoping to have them on by Easter, but that looks highly unlikely.
BakerBill
31-03-2010, 22:46
I've just come across some Minn Kota trim tabs at what seems to be a reasonable amount cheaper than Bennett or Lenco products. What say you guys!! http://www.hillarysboatshop.com.au/home.php?cat=514 remember to scroll all the way down to check them all out.
They look good Bill, but the site is a little short on info i.e. the difference between different models and what they suit, sizes etc.
Have not heard of those tabs before, I'll see what google turns up.
They've been available for a couple of years now, but I don't know anyone who's used them. MK's stuff is usually top quality.
Oh my god!!! They are pretty expensive, looking at around (cough..splutter) A$1,400 for the 9x9 tabs, short actuators and indicator type switch kit.
http://www.bla.com.au/index.php?fn=productGroupView&dId=1&id=3851&eId=640&sId=0db7fedd4cda01b89bb6b78e04a3d3f
I can get them at a big discount. There's a big mark up on MK stuff. They're still a lot cheaper than hydraulic ones. Anyway, you married money, Chin, stop complaining!;)
The advertised RRP's from BLA are outrageous and not in touch with reality.
I priced my BEP Marine VSR (http://www.bepmarine.com/Trolling-Bank-VSR-Module-166-1471.html) via email from them after finding out they are the Australian importer. It isn't listed in their online catalogue. The RRP they gave me was A$341. This was AFTER I advised them that the online Cabella's price for the same item (manufactured in NZ) was US$190.
Once I heard that I ordered it from the US. Later I spoke to a local dealer who said they could have ordered it for me from BLA for about the same price I paid internationally including shipping.
Basically BLA lost themselves a transaction, and my dealer lost my business all because BLA inflate their advertised RRP to consumers but offer the dealers a different price. What a stupid business practice. Is it any wonder Australian companies suffer when the importers do something like that.
BLA - if you're out there listening, lift your game.
If you give me the parts numbers in the BLA cattledog, I'll tell you what I would pay for them as an agent. If you cover my postage and time (I bill at specialist anaesthetist rates!) I'll get them for you.
Keithy P
01-04-2010, 18:46
"(I bill at specialist anaesthetist rates!) I'll get them for you"
this from the optically challenged gentleman who the other day queried whether it would be OK to take a doctors job though he cant remember any doctors stuff.... But I guess even wealthy dole bludging expats need to make a quid pointlaugh
Anyway, you married money, Chin, stop complaining!;)
Close Doug, I married a money making machine, but it only spits out bills in one denomination.
I'll give you a list of part numbers later, will $3 bills be acceptable payment?
I'm told a lifetime in the service of the Queen in far-flung outposts of the Empire (and I include Australia here) has given me cataracts.
Bullshit Sir your a desk jockey build a bridge and get over it.
But I still lovya Boss
Cheers Bones
Stand up straight Bones, or my guide dog will have the arse out of yer breeks. You may think you're a civvie now, but wing commanders know better.
BakerBill
02-04-2010, 12:10
The main reason I want trim tabs is to help keep the boat level when heading into a front/side on sea/wind. The tabs that are able to be adjusted from the helm seem to me to be the best option, though more than I ideally want to spend. Does anyone know if the Smart Tabs will correct this or to what extent. If they 80-90% correct the list, cool. If not, then I would be better going the extra length and purchasing something I can adjust in transit.
O.K. Doug, lets just do the exercise and see what sort of money these KM tabs should cost. If you would be so kind as to let me know what these would cost me, (via you, including your cut) that would be good.
BLA cattledog codes...311002 Qty. x 1 set tabs
311020 Qty. x 1 set short actuators
311031 Qty. x 1 indicator switch
OK, I'll probably get into trouble with BLA for this!
If I buy the 9''x9" standard kit it will cost me $602 plus GST = $662
If you buy the kit in its separate components it comes to $700 incl GST. Freight is free on items over $300 so you'd just have to add my postage to you, plus my professional handling charges in bottles, sorry, cases of Glenmorangie.
The RRP in the cattledog is $976. [Thinks - how many bottles of Glenmorangie for the $276 saving? Answer - lots!:D]
I'd be happy to get major items for folk I know here, but I'm not really interested in getting anything that costs less than a couple of hundred dollars. There's freight to pay and the buggeration factor to consider. But if there's a significant demand for a bulk order of some item that lots of us want then drop me a pm.
has any one had a look at these
http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/product.cgi?group=71541&product=82501
Paul
Those Lenco ones look good, especially with the combined switch and indicators and auto retract. That works out at $550US = 598 AUD plus postage
With the basic switch they're $510US = $555 AU plus postage.
Really depends what the freight's worth.
Thanks Doug (and Poly) much appreciated.
I like the Minn Kota tabs, I reckon they would be the bees knees.
Doug I trust your cataract operations are covered in those figures?
I suspect you have not priced the indicator style switch (as opposed to the standard switch), it's a fairly expensive little gizmo, but essential I would think?
"I suspect you have not priced the indicator style switch (as opposed to the standard switch), it's a fairly expensive little gizmo, but essential I would think? "
You're right , I didn't see that one. And again, you're right, I would think it's essential. That's why the Lenco ones look good, but you'd have to check the freight. I know with some things I've bought recently from the US the freight has been a rip-off, obviously designed to add a hidden margin to the price. Similarly, the exchange rate I used was the true rate - most suppliers (and your credit card company) will rip you off with the exchange rate and then charge a fee on top of that for the "foreign" transaction. They have no conscience whatsoever.
Oh, and I included the heart bypass costs as well as bilateral cataracts, Chin. I'm not in this business for the good of my health, y'know.
HMMMM....Bennett make a good case for hydraulic tabs.
http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/hydraulicvselectric.php
bream reaper
06-04-2010, 23:12
thats what I have Chin and wouldn't be without them now.
marinecabs
08-04-2010, 08:55
Hey Guys, Rick from Marine Cabs here
I have just finnished installing both Permatrim and a set of Bennet Hydraulic Trim tabs to the Yellow 5.3m Cuddy, will let you know how they perform, reasons being that each item performs a different task, Permatrim alters the planing surface and attitude of vessel, providing hull lift , whereas the trim tabs allow for the fine tuning of the vessels ride attitude where differing payloads and weight distribution affect the side to side "list" or bow up / down wave entry in differing conditions....., will keep you informed as to the real time performance as time goes on.
Just bumped this up because BLA is doing a special deal on some Minn Kota Trim tabs.
Go here http://www.bla.com.au/index.php?fn=productView&dId=1&id=12666&eId=640&sId=0db7fedd4cda01b89bb6b78e04a3d3f
and check that part no 311110 is what you want. If it is you can have them at what I pay ($555) plus my postage to you. Apparently this is 12.5% off the usual trade price.
I take no responsibility for ordering the right part - that's up to you. And be quick - I don't know how long this will last.
Chin! Front and centre! Didn't you want these?
No takers? I thought you were all filthy rich?
Sorry sir, yes I'm trying to make sense of the website to work out which kit I want. The indicator switch is what I want to be included. As soon as I get home to a computer with some speed I'll have a look.
It's 9 o'clock (2100 to those in the know) and you still haven't made up your mind Chin? I'm not in this for the good of my health you know...?
*sees huge profit evaporating in front of his eyes*
BakerBill
13-05-2010, 14:15
While I have been looking at trim tabs, I have also been keeping a mate up to date. Anyway, he went ahead and ordered SX trim tabs. He has a 17' sundowner with a 135hp saltwater merc. For some reason his boat is very heavy for the size, so went with the SX9510-80. He had some bad listing issues proir. I went out the other day with him in some 25km winds. While he is very hard to satisfy, I can see the immense difference in his outfit. Into the wind, side on and with the wind, the boat had a totally different attitude and stayed basically flat all the time. It also responded well to hole shot, staying flat and a much slower minimum plane speed. I was generally very impressed. I was wondering if I should spend the thousand plus to get adjustable, but as my outfit is somewhat smaller that his, I can't see the expense is justified. So as soon as I can fit it in my budget, it's SX trim tabs for me.
secretspot
15-06-2010, 23:52
Finally got around to attaching the SX-Tabs on the boat. Took it for a "test drive" Saturday in the Port River. Feels like a different boat. Virtually no bow rise anymore. Gets on the plane quicker. Feels more stable, and steers a lot better.
As I was retrieving my boat, another Poly was getting rigged to go out. Rare as hens teeth down this way.
Just a plug for Nauticus in the US where I bought my Smart Tabs just over two years ago. I recently discovered that both actuators had rusted out. I replaced the 60lb ones with some 80lb ones left over from a error in Nauticus' dispatch system (quickly fixed by them), but they were too "strong" and made the boat feel unstable. I e-mailed the company and asked to buy another set of 60lb actuators.
Just heard today they're sending me a new pair under warranty, and I only have to pay the freight.
Good service for a foreign company that really doesn't owe me anything, as the warranty was only 12 months and I've had these babies 25 months.
BigFella
11-08-2010, 10:31
Just a plug for Nauticus in the US where I bought my Smart Tabs just over two years ago. I recently discovered that both actuators had rusted out. I replaced the 60lb ones with some 80lb ones left over from a error in Nauticus' dispatch system (quickly fixed by them), but they were too "strong" and made the boat feel unstable. I e-mailed the company and asked to buy another set of 60lb actuators.
Just heard today they're sending me a new pair under warranty, and I only have to pay the freight.
Good service for a foreign company that really doesn't owe me anything, as the warranty was only 12 months and I've had these babies 25 months.
Photos we need photos Doug!!!!!
Pirate Pete
11-08-2010, 12:39
Im starting to think this "BOAT" of Doug's is just a mere memory in his poor old befuddled mind I don't know ant one who has seen it!!!!!!
My boat is available for inspection on bath nights.
I could have sworn you said your tabs were "Lenco" brand Doug?
You're consistent, Chin, you're WRONG AGAIN!
No, mine are the Smart Tabs SX from Nauticus. The 60lb actuators are right for the 5.3, I suspect the 5.99 would need the 80lb ones. I notice the 4.5(5)'s here use the "red" ones which I think are the 40lb ones [It would be good if someone with them on a 4.5/5 could confirm this]
Anyone wants to buy them, email Greg Schreiber [greg@nauticusinc.com] and mention my name. Don't mention my name and get them at half price.:D:D:D
Hi all, my 4.1 due to arrive in Sept is a SC. Just wondering if trim tabs will apply with my weight being a bit further forward. I'm not sure if Barry's was a tiller steer and therefore weight in the stern being more of a concern?
________
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Nope, mine is a SC and the improvement with the trim tabs was quite marked.
dirty dog
13-08-2010, 09:18
what type of tabs would be best for a 4.1 tiller
Smart Tabs; sizing chart here:
http://www.nauticusinc.com/pdf/metric_application_chart.pdf
Check out the Nauticus site for more info:
http://www.nauticusinc.com
SX9510-30, I'd think, Dirty Dog
If anyone is interested I have a pair of Smart Tabs SX with red actuators (40lb?) that I have only used for one outing on the boat, and I have since removed. They did the job as described, but no better than the Permatrim did anyway, and they do dig a deep hole in the water behind the boat with an odd roostertail at about the point I wakeboard. As well I had some concerns re fragility when beaching stern to shore, and finally it meant losing my boarding ladder as both would not fit on the transom of a 4.1.
Anyway, took them off again, they have had a total of about 30 min running, have a bit of marine sealant on the mounts and screws have been done done up and undone, I've tried to be careful with the SS heads. Sitting in the shed doing nothing, don't want much ($50?) if you cover postage , have only been used in fresh water. PM me if interested.
4.50_Drifter
18-08-2010, 21:39
what about 4.8 cc, rear console with casting deck etc up the front...any need for tabs? probably to get out of the hole quicker? maybe just get a permatrim?
Keithy P
18-08-2010, 23:04
If I was you Drift, I would wait until you're used to the rig before you worry about that. Mine launches out of the hole carrying 4 blokes, it runs at 28kn full noise. It porposes at about 30kn if you trim it just right to get it up there, trim tabs might stop that, i dont know, but I dont need to travel faster than 30kn anyway.
What about you Gary? you have the same hull with a 75 e-tech, What does yours pull??
I also have the same hull with 80HP Suzuki and put a permatrim on. I noticed a massive improvement with that, particularly hole shot and lower planing speed. I haven't felt the need to go to anything further like trim tabs since and really don't want any unnecessary extra crap hanging off the boat that I'm likey to smack into either with my head when working on stuff, or some beach/rock/jetty.
Sweeden, unlike other bits of your anatomy, the trim tabs don't stick out much (unless they're excited), so don't worry about that.
If you like to reverse into jetties, jet-skiers, trawlers or the missus at high speed, then belay that remark.
4.50_Drifter
19-08-2010, 23:11
If I was you Drift, I would wait until you're used to the rig before you worry about that. Mine launches out of the hole carrying 4 blokes, it runs at 28kn full noise. It porposes at about 30kn if you trim it just right to get it up there, trim tabs might stop that, i dont know, but I dont need to travel faster than 30kn anyway.
What about you Gary? you have the same hull with a 75 e-tech, What does yours pull??
Ok Keithy,
I'll do the run from Cooktown to Bloomfield first ;)
Hey zone5
I'll take those tabs off you mate. Pm sent
Norm
No worries mate, hope they do the job.
Haven't looked for the money yet, but I will someday...
chrs jc
ps: hey, it's there! tnx... 2thumbsup
Nog actually PAID you? Good God - he must be developing a conscience at last!
(He's not good with numbers, they say.)
Nog actually PAID you? Good God - he must be developing a conscience at last!
(He's not good with numbers, they say.)
Would you stiff the guy flying the plane dude:rolleyes:
But I will have to ask for $2 back, can't find program that installs it for me:D
Has anyone had problems with the Smart Tabs yet? My starboard side actuator has shat itself. Might have to see if I can get a new one. Also finding a bit of rust around the top lug nut.
Great product when it works though. I just engage the port side tab when I have two up and someone next to me on the port side in the centre console.
Norm
Yes, both my actuators rusted out, out of warranty of course, but I emailed them and they said they would replace them for free if I paid the post. Great I thought but they must have sent them Premium First Class Super Fast cos it cost me $70!!!
Cheers Doug. Unfortunately I can't claim the warranty so will have to front up the readies. Bit of ashame they crapped out so quickly
Norm, try asking them about warranty. They capitulated easily enough with me, just screwed me on postage. Tell them to send them sea-mail - it usually works out as air-mail anyway.
Got a reply. "Actuators should last between 3and 5yrs" FULLSTOP!!!
Maybe I shouldn't have started the email with "Hey SepticTank with Galah brains"
Oh well, back to finishing school again
Look, Nog, why I don't I come over and give you some lessons in tact and diplomacy? You'll never get anyplace with your current attitude.......laugh1
Look, Nog, why I don't I come over and give you some lessons in tact and diplomacy? You'll never get anyplace with your current attitude.......laugh1
Yer I recon Doug learnt u better real good on dipomacy.
Love the Royal people (Bloody RAF) but you dont have Pippa's arse Doug so no one is listening.:D
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