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Sold my runabout last year. Now i'm going to get a serious offshore hardcore fishing boat to live my dream.
The zero corrosion, unbreakable, good handling(not confirm by myself yet), easy to maintain, cheap to buy... really caught my eyes!
I just don't know the 599 centre console's performance in rough weather. because it is hard for me to have a chance play with the 599 in 20+knots condition. I will try to get a boat test after this year's boat show.
The useless magazine always have their boat tested in bay/river, saying 'the boat is pretty good on the ferry's wake'. They are just bunch of no common sense idoits.Why don't they test a bass boat 30km offshore? family cruise boat should tested with wife and kids, bass boat should tested
And there is no video in youtube to show me how good is the polycraft 599.
Man you're a hard man to please man. :rolleyes:
I think the only way to be satisfied is to get in a boat and test it yourself.
Where are you based? Maybe a member here can take you out for a spin.
you're right Chin, I will not hand over my hard earned $$ until I tested or seen one in a Real condition.
I live in sydney.
Nothing wrong with that Man.
You could P.M some of the 5.99 owners here for an honest opinion, try...
FATMAN
rfr01509
dreamin
pommy-git
Honestly, and I will probably cop a flogging for this, but if you are after a serious offshore boat that can handle the rough stuff I would avoid the polycraft. Take a good hard look at the yankee designed boats like the seaswirl. I have been researching a good offshore boat for sometime now (try 2 years) and I am still trying to get water tests on some boats. I plan to own a new boat around the end of the year, early next year.
The hardest part you will find is convincing the sales person at the boat yards to take you out for a run to see how the boat handles without signing up for a contract. The next hardest thing is convincing them to take you out in 20knots plus. Often you can convince them to take you out if you piggyback a ride with another customer.
Not sure where you are, but if you are chasing a new boat and you are in brisbane, then I would hold out the the next boat show. Can say much about it other than there is a good chance of having boats on water to test ;)
Thx Andy:)
I think I'm doing sth similar to what you have done. The boat will be owned by my best mate and I, therefore, the budget will be 70K(finance). At this moment, we only got 30K cash for the boat.
No rotting or electrolysis is very attractive to a lazy idoit like me:D and it's the most value 6meter new boat on the market.
I was thinking to import a boat from US because I have seen a Sea Pro fishing next to my 27foot charter boat in 25knots+ wind! That day was very rough, 2m swell + 25kt wind + break waves, and Sea Pro can handle extremely well and very dry too!! Really impressive!
Importing a boat from US that may cost more than I can afford in cash but I will keep rearching til my dream come true.
20kt+ wind is very common down here (sydney to kiama area). I just want a boat can carry 4 keen fisherman to where they want and come back safe in any weather conditon.
BigFella
25-02-2010, 07:14
Gday, if you have a budget of $70k do yourself a favor and take a close hard look at the Stabi-Craft range! They are one of if the best blue water boats going! Yeah they're a tad ugly! But their performance in green seas is unbeatable! Give Wayne at Bay Boat Sales (Salamander Bay) a ring, he has customers willing to take you out in what ever conditions you want!
Good luck with your quest!
www.bayboatsales.com.au
Cheers BigFella.
Thx BigFella,
I quoted the price of Stabicraft609 centre console, included sounder everything, is 70K+
I have been fishing in a stabicraft 529, stabicraft is sth nearly perfect. but the pontoon sound makes me scared. and I think stabicraft is overpriced a lot.
pommy-git
27-02-2010, 14:30
The big poly doesnt ride as well as a deep V glass boat but is a lot more stable at rest. My kids can belt it with 8 ounce snapper leads and they just bounce off and there is no polishing to do. If you are going to be out in 20 plus knots you will be very wet in a Frontier. My boat handles 15kts easily but when we get wind against tide it can be very nasty. I dont even bother when we have 20kts but I would think that a deep V glass boat would be the way for you to go if you are going to be doing that regularly. 20kts in the Cumberland or Whitsunday channels with wind against tide would see the tops of the chop breaking quite nastily. The Frontier fishes 4 easily.
bushbeachboy
28-02-2010, 09:33
If you're looking at a centre console, maybe one of the bigger longboats would be of interest. They are very good sea boats, but with a centre console there is no weather protection, so it might be a tad cold down your way.
4.50_Drifter
04-03-2010, 23:34
For that cash the Noble Super-Vee 6.2 cuddy is really hard to beat. I've been in some foul torres strait weather in one of those and they are truly a fantastic boat. I've also been in an approx 6m stabi and would choose the Noble personally, really cuts through the rough stuff nicely. If only I had that sort of cash! Also if you wire it up yourself you'll save a bundle.
Brucesta
05-03-2010, 02:12
after being told about importing a US boat i'd be looking at that now the $$$ is good, i'll put it this way my rig at the best price i could get (cheers Glenn) was 45K to my door. Bloke across the road picked up a Proline 25 walkaround (2nd hand) for 65K to Perth, age i don't know but damm it looks good all with aust approved trailer ready to tow home, only extra cost is the HIN plate.
my 6.8m walkaround will not be a aussie boat with prices and exchange rates like that, sooo many yank boats in town nows, approaching 30 and word of mouth is spreading about the price, the aussie market will die if they cannot match the price of some of these rigs, basically values me 6 month old boat at 18k after what i paid for it.
thank goodness it's tougher than GRP, good old wheelie bin!!!!
Bruce, you got the point! aussie boat really charge too much because the labor cost 1/4 -1/3 of the boat. expecially the alloy boat! Alloy plate is based on national price, Australian plate will not cost more than Chinese plate. I've been asked around about custom build, the boat kit(5.6CC) cost $8XXX, trailer $6500, suzuki DF115 $15000, and the builder ask for $55K to finish that package for me. His labor cost over $15K!!!! I believe with 15K labor cost, I can finish 10+ boats in China with better welder too. No offence, no matter how professional they are, I don't think their labor worth that much because it's not a rocket science.
BTW the polycraft can save me a lot of $$$ which I can invest on somewhere else. Importing from US can be a good choice(if around 45K), I like the Sea Pro 220 CC or 21 (big flare bow). I'm pretty sure those American glass boats ride good on choppy weather but will they lean much?(deep Vee) I don't like the boat lean too much when 3people jigging on the same side, bit of scary when wave coming.
Bruce, you got the point! aussie boat really charge too much because the labor cost 1/4 -1/3 of the boat. expecially the alloy boat! Alloy plate is based on national price, Australian plate will not cost more than Chinese plate. I've been asked around about custom build, the boat kit(5.6CC) cost $8XXX, trailer $6500, suzuki DF115 $15000, and the builder ask for $55K to finish that package for me. His labor cost over $15K!!!! I believe with 15K labor cost, I can finish 10+ boats in China with better welder too. No offence, no matter how professional they are, I don't think their labor worth that much because it's not a rocket science.
BTW the polycraft can save me a lot of $$$ which I can invest on somewhere else. Importing from US can be a good choice(if around 45K), I like the Sea Pro 220 CC or 21 (big flare bow). I'm pretty sure those American glass boats ride good on choppy weather but will they lean much?(deep Vee) I don't like the boat lean too much when 3people jigging on the same side, bit of scary when wave coming.
The whole stability V ride handling is a trade off. You get one or the other, never both. You just need to chose the ratio of either, then you have the best hull for you.
Threadie
06-03-2010, 01:10
Man you are dead right, damn Aussie workers just want too much to design and build boats in this country. It might be an idea for us polyboat guys to all pool our money and we'll set up an offshore company somewhere in Asia.
We could make polyboat lookalikes so much cheaper over there. Especially in some of these places, as we could make replicas of "Polycraft" and not even have to worry about copyright issues. There are 349 members at last count, and if we all threw in a lazy $100K each, (prob a mill from Doug) we could probably set up a decent show and corner the market with such a versatile boat.
Now if only I could bring those workers over here, and get them to do stuff for me on the wages they are presently getting........... PHEWWW .....I've got it made.
Maybe we could call the company...... "Australian Policy".
(hmmm, should I or shouldn't I??......bugga!) ......SUBMIT button where are you????
need a yank boat take a look here.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale/269998-2004-regulator-23-located-massachusetts.html
now it will cost about $6.000 just for freight and that's just the beginning
this is sweet, and the price is wright
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale/259370-2009-andros-permit-bonefish-22-a.html
Enjoy
Paul
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-17/
threadie, you are a cock. what do earn? overseas shit is cheaper because labour is cheaper, if you want to take the pay cut go right ahead. Fuck that, go and make me some noodles!
Man you are dead right, damn Aussie workers just want too much to design and build boats in this country. It might be an idea for us polyboat guys to all pool our money and we'll set up an offshore company somewhere in Asia.
We could make polyboat lookalikes so much cheaper over there. Especially in some of these places, as we could make replicas of "Polycraft" and not even have to worry about copyright issues. There are 349 members at last count, and if we all threw in a lazy $100K each, (prob a mill from Doug) we could probably set up a decent show and corner the market with such a versatile boat.
Now if only I could bring those workers over here, and get them to do stuff for me on the wages they are presently getting........... PHEWWW .....I've got it made.
Maybe we could call the company...... "Australian Policy".
(hmmm, should I or shouldn't I??......bugga!) ......SUBMIT button where are you????
Not sure what you are trying to get at here. If you want a stable boat for flat waters, sure, buy a poly. If you want a real blue water boat then look outside australia, because austrailan designers have not yet figured out that not every boat owner is afraid to go out in 20knt+ seas.
I buy a boat I feel comfortable in, If I cant get that in Australia, I will go OS. I will not buy a boat I feel unsafe in.
Man you are dead right, damn Aussie workers just want too much to design and build boats in this country. It might be an idea for us polyboat guys to all pool our money and we'll set up an offshore company somewhere in Asia.
that's all ready happening, at least one of the alloy builders are producing there boats in china.
as we could make replicas of "Polycraft" and not even have to worry about copyright issues
how long do you think polycraft would let you get away with that, I can see a bunch of lawyers making a mint out of that.
Now if only I could bring those workers over here, and get them to do stuff for me on the wages they are presently getting
and you will have every union card holder baying for your blood
overseas shit is cheaper because labour is cheaper
and so is there cost of living a chinese worker on $40.00 a month is as well off as an Australian on $50.000 a year
looks like this may be a good thread after all yippyyippyyippyyippy
Paul
Paul never wrote that reply .... no spelling mistakes. C'mon fess up Pol, you dictated the reply and possum typed it. :)
Man, have you looked at the Triumph range of boats.
Whitto has one which he got at a great price when the $au was good a few years ago.
They look like a glass boat close up with great features and finish. Makes the polycraft range look like a wheelie bin.
Worth a look if you want to stay in the plastic range but have that big bigger budget.
Paul never wrote that reply .... no spelling mistakes. C'mon fess up Pol, you dictated the reply and possum typed it. :)
I'm not telling
Man, have you looked at the Triumph range of boats.
Whitto has one which he got at a great price when the $au was good a few years ago.
They look like a glass boat close up with great features and finish. Makes the polycraft range look like a wheelie bin.
Worth a look if you want to stay in the plastic range but have that big bigger budget.
would you take a look at this, at $9.900 it has to be steal +freight say with cleaning, shrink raping and mods to the trailer $10 grand $19.900 all up don't think you could do better, now add 10% or there abouts for the exchange rate and its all yours Dave
http://commonwealthboatbrokers.com/gallery.asp?vID=10370
Paul
this one is an 08 model less than $20.000
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale/261773-2008-triumph-190-bay-w-honda-150hp.html
2nd hand boats in US are really great in value! get a 21~23ft boat only cost around AU$25,000 or less. + shipping, port fee, tax, agent fee (may be au$15,000?), little mod on the trailer and rego au$3000?
total may be around au$45000 or less. worth that trouble to import a boat from US!! a Polycraft599cc with 175hp is cost more than 45K. So I can get a bigger boat from US and save a couple grand:)
Triumph boats are great but I think the gunwale is a bit low....I like higher gunwale(feel safe). I will not go out when blowing 20+knots, but in 15knots. Wind can be pickup in 10mins from 15 to 25knots. I just want to make sure the boat is capable to fish in 20+knots condition which allow me to land my last big fish and back home safe and quick.
true story of mine,
A couple yrs ago, I was doing night fishing in my 4m boat in inner harbour of port kembla(enclosed water). The surface of the sea suddenly changed, sea was showing no lifes around become plenty of fish boiling the surface and the water moving fast. Wind started blowing, I felt sth wrong and I should head back to asap. By the time I pulled up the anchor, I was in a rough sea!! Chops higher than me (may be around 1.5~2m) and breaks!! Sky was clear but I in shower (wind blow the break waves and the bow splash like heavy rain. I was very lucky to make myself back to shore (2.5km away). I rang the coast guard and they told me wind was 42knots and now is 38knot. From calm to 42knots in less than 10mins!! God really bless me.
Fishmarket
08-03-2010, 11:33
Hi Man, there is a guy who was going to import a Triumph for me .. if its under 21ft and can fit in a container with another Boat / Car the entire fee with customs, import duty etc will be under $6k. Worth doing if you go along the lines of "what's the most expensive, longest boat I can fit in a container". I was going down that route and a friend imported a Triton 171 bay for about $30k all up with warranted Merc 4 stroke ... the Triton is also covered by warranty.
Ta
Matt
g'day Matt, I have done a bit of research into the warranty side of motors, and it would seem that merc will give a limited cover for motors purchased out side of Australia, none of the other manufactures will give you anything at all,, how ever I can't find any thing on tohatsu.
Paul
doh
Fishmarket
09-03-2010, 15:55
Pretty sure they are sold as Nissan in the U.S. So if you want to import a boat from the U.S and want warranties; Triton Boats, Merc Engines and I believe Furuno will cover electronics purchased from the states. Come on Triumph, come to the party!!!!!! Heard also on some trailers the trailer widths exceed our maximum over here ... time to get the angle grinder out!!!!!!!
Ta
Matt
time to get the angle grinder out!!!!!!!
yep you are wright about the trailers Matt, however Load Right trailers in the U.S. have Australian complaint trailers ready to go.
here is a problem that comes up from time to time.
A lot of people will buy B.M.T. and bring it in to the country to find they can't tow it, because the ball and coupling don't match, U.S. coupling 2inch Australian ball 50mm,wtfwtf and that's a bugger when trying to get off the wharf.
Paul
doh doh
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